What did you do at the British Museum?
‘The British Museum is one of the pioneers in this field. They have a beautiful, large CT scanner, which they have been using to study their collection for several years. We were allowed to use it to verify the accuracy of my calculations.’
And how was your collaboration with the J. Paul Getty Museum in Los Angeles?
‘I didn’t visit the museum during the research phase. We did the entire project, and the resulting article, online. They were behind the buttons of the machine, and I told them what I needed via Zoom. Last year, after completing my PhD, the museum invited me for an eight-week guest scholarship. That wasn’t enough time for a full research project, so I’m still in the process of finishing that.’
You have a bachelor’s degree in mathematics and physics at VU Amsterdam and a master’s degree in applied mathematics at Leiden. How did you end up in the museum world with such a background?
‘After secondary school, I found it difficult to choose a study, as I enjoyed many subjects. In the end, I chose mathematics. This PhD project was ideal for me because it allowed me to combine multiple disciplines and interests. Alongside mathematics, informatics and computer science, the work also touched on art history, dendrochronology, and museum studies.’
You also specialized in science communication during your master’s. Did that come in handy?
‘Absolutely! In an interdisciplinary project like this, clear communication is vital. The museum colleagues explain what they need, and then I sit with them in the scanning room all day. The scanning process is guided by their immediate feedback, so we can extract as much information as possible from the object.’
It sounds like you are a jack of all trades.
‘I’ve learnt a great deal from my colleagues over the past few years. My thesis consists of four published articles. The art-historical sections were largely written by my colleagues, while I was responsible for the technical parts. The conclusions about the art objects were drawn collaboratively, often after hours spent looking at the CT scans together.’
What, in your view, is the value of team science?
‘The largest part of this PhD thesis is based on team science. In 2021, we even won the NWO Team Science Award (from the Dutch Research Council for our project on Hugo de Groot's chest, for which we developed a new technique to scan larger objects. An interdisciplinary team contributed to each article. There were always at least one mathematician and one computer scientist, and often several curators or restorers from the museum. For me personally, team science is very important. For me personally, team science is crucial. I believe it boosts creativity and propels science forward.’
That sounds like quite the organizational feat.
‘It was. In most cases, I was the project lead, as it was my PhD research. I reached out to people and organized meetings to discuss the work. So yes, organizational skills are key. Planning is essential too. It can be tricky, because everyone has other commitments. It takes time and patience to get everything coordinated. But I found that everyone was very enthusiastic about the project, because it produced so much valuable new information.’
How do you feel about winning the KHMW Thesis Award for Interdisciplinary Research?
‘The crowning glory of my work! In that museum environment, I sometimes felt a bit like the odd one out. There I was the mathematician who always talked about algorithms. While among mathematicians I was the one who always wanted to talk about art. I took a unique position, and I enjoyed that. But to have my work recognized in this way is truly special.’